12/21/23, 11:00 AM - Committee Hearing: Telecommunications, Utilities and Energy, A-2 and Virtual
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| Date/Time: | 12/21/23 11:00 AM |
| Location: | A-2 and Virtual |
| Committee: | Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities and Energy (JTU) |
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Late-File Hearing
The Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities and Energy will be holding a hybrid public hearing on the below late-file legislation on Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 11:00 AM in Hearing Room A-2 and virtually.
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12/21/2023 - Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities and Energy
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166.89 SPEAKER1166.89 -166.89 This166.89 is166.97 part167.06 of167.29 a167.38 committee.167.53
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Speaker List:
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Wilson Hammond
Chair, unidentified affiliation -
Mister Hammond
Recognize speaker -
Mister President
Presiding officer -
Ryan Fattman
State Senator -
Michael D. Brady
Senator, Public Service Committee -
Joan B. Lovely
Committee on Rules
Bill List:
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Senate Bill No. 2530 for establishing a sick leave bank for William J. Torres, employee of the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department
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House Bill No. 3979 authorizing Cynthia Falzone to purchase credible service from the Norfolk County Board
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House Bill No. 2030 amending the charter of the town of Williamstown to make all gender references gender neutral
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House Bill No. 4165 establishing a sick leave bank for Anthony Pano Jr., employee of the Department of Mental Health
Synopsis:
The legislative committee hearing began with a ceremonial event, recognizing the accomplishments of two youth sports teams from Uxbridge. The Uxbridge Girls Field Hockey Team and Boys Football Team, both state champions, received a formal commendation in the State Senate. Senator Ryan Fattman praised their dedication and excellence, marking their third consecutive championship win. Efforts to recognize the boys' football team in the House of Representatives were also mentioned.
The session then transitioned to legislative matters. Various bills were introduced, discussed, and voted upon following the appropriate protocols. Senator Michael D. Brady introduced Bill 2530, aiming to create a sick leave bank for William J. Torres, an employee of the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department. The legislative committee conducted the vote and approved the motion for a third reading.
Senator Joan B. Lovely, representing the Committee on Rules, presented House Bill 3979, concerning the authorization for Cynthia Falzone to purchase credible service from the Norfolk County Board. This bill was quickly passed through the necessary stages to be ready for a third reading.
The committee considered a proposal to amend the charter of the Town of Williamstown, House Bill 2030, to make all gender references gender-neutral. The bill progressed through a vote and approval, reflecting evolving considerations in legislative language adjustments for inclusivity.
Additionally, House Bill 4165 moved forward, establishing a sick leave bank for Anthony Pano Jr., an employee of the Department of Mental Health. Again, procedural approvals were achieved, highlighting the Senate's focus on employee welfare and support initiatives.
Throughout the session, routine orders facilitated the seamless passage of these bills without objections, demonstrating procedural efficiency in handling legislative business. The meeting concluded with a standard adjournment protocol, setting the next session for Tuesday at 11 AM.
